From the Archives: 22.07.19

Two absolute icons.

Back in 2019, Jane Dunn‘s Elizabeth and Mary: Cousins, Rivals, Queens (2004) got me thinking about one of history’s great ‘what ifs’:

What if Elizabeth I and Mary, Queen of Scots had actually met?

It felt a little like the anticipation surrounding Robert De Niro and Al Pacino finally sharing the screen in Heat (1995). Two extraordinary figures whose stories seemed destined to collide.

Despite a track record for manufacturing such confrontations (example: Prince Hal and Harry Hotspur in 1 Henry IV), Shakespeare never really tackled such a meeting. It would have been theatrical gold, but politically impossible.

Reading my post again in 2026, I find myself drawn to something different.

Over the past year I’ve spent months immersed in Antony and Cleopatra with a student, and one scene returned to me. In Act III, scene iii, Cleopatra demands to know everything about her rival Octavia: not simply who she is, but how tall she is, how she walks, how she speaks. 

The messenger knows his life depends on giving answers that satisfy the volatile queen.

Suddenly, the idea that

The queens both asked for detailed descriptions, of each others’ appearances and skills.

seems less like historical curiosity and more like something profoundly human.

How do we imagine people we’ve never met?

How do we construct an identity from fragments, rumours and second-hand accounts?

Seven years on, that’s the question I find most interesting.

Join the conversation: which literary characters do you wish had met? Why?

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2 responses to “From the Archives: 22.07.19”

  1. Anne Avatar

    This seems so obvious that it must be the wrong answer. Surely all royals of all neighbouring nations had formal portraits or simple sketches of each other. Wasn’t it a basic courtesy? Asking for more was surely also a basic but sometimes second stage of courtesy in every sense of the the word).

  2. Hi Anne,

    I wonder to what extent people who had never met and might not meet would invest in something like this?

    And of course the danger is that if the rich and famous commission their own portrait for circulation, it’s highly possible that the artist will create a flattering version (not so different to social media now, I guess).

    I’m reminded of Henry VIII’s reaction to meeting Anne of Cleves, and his anger that she was ‘nothing so fair as she hath been reported’. Holbein’s portrait of her came in for particular criticism, and Cromwell copped a fair share of blame for that!

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